Sam, thank you for again clearly and effectively explaining Vance’s use of projection. Because you define it as so completely negative I feel compelled to mention another aspect of projection, one that I have often seen in over 38 years as a psychotherapist, many of them specializing in marital and relationship counseling or therapy. This aspect is more “normal,” in the sense of not being pathological, while it can be problematic at times. When we attempt to understand another person’s actions we usually (consciously or otherwise) ask ourselves “why would someone do that?” What we are really doing is asking “if that were me why would I do that?” In other words, projecting. Best case? Empathy. Problematic case, and one I have seen often with couples or families, is that the person thinks they KNOW the intent of the other (e.g., I would only do that if I wanted to hurt you, therefore you want to hurt me) and then the needless and harmful battles begin or continue.
I offer this not in any way to counter or diminish your excellent analysis, but simply to present another aspect of projection.
Harry, thank you for sharing your experience & caveat. Perhaps after the election it is something to explore more in depth. However, what you are describing as a form of projection seems more clearly defined as "transference." "A phenomenon within psychotherapy in which repetitions of old feelings, attitudes, desires, or fantasies that someone displaces are subconsciously projected onto a here-and-now person." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transference
Just offering a clarification to your excellent comment: It seems to me - a non-psychologist - that "projection" is an outwardly-focused and outwardly-directed assumption of motive to judge and assign blame for another's behavior, while empathy is an outwardly-focused but inwardly-directed effort to understand the motives and the external influences that can shape behavior in others in an effort to understand and, if appropriate, facilitate individual and community responses. The first (projection) seems to be an attempt to offload onto others one's negative psychological baggage and "other" them, while the second (empathy) seems to be the use of one's psychological skills to step outside of one's personal environment to experience, mentally if not physically, the personal environment of another in the attempt to understand and appreciate the other person's perspective and actions. The first complements the narcissist's psychological goals and needs, while the second is wholly incompatible with, if not destructive of them.
Just my two cents.
Vote Harris/Walz for the win and the psychological health of our country.
Great Job this morning ☕ Sam Ray 💯 you've put JD's sickness in layman's terms for us to understand, going into the debate this Tuesday. The stark difference between Tim Walz and Vance is as different as Night and Day, Good and Bad. Tim's scene of"Dignity of Office" paired with his human compassion for others will win the day.Along with his love of Country, service, and knowledge of the problems here and abroad.Vance is going to show the American people a shallow, self serving and ridiculous man,and It will be his downfall. What I'm going to be watching for,is the Body language!! Excellent piece, Thank You,Sam Ray 💯👍💙🌊🌊🌊
I guess we’ll not be reading any tactless comments from those with a mission. But getting back to Sam’s description of jd’s announcements, or interviews or speeches, I would hear these words and wonder if I’m forcibly making them all into confessions, projections if you will. I mean, other than trump, who does this so consistently? I see jd as someone who eventually has a “nervous breakdown “. That is, he’s not a stupid man but does and says stupid things and eventually this cognitive dissonance will be too much. He should start therapy now.
The fact is malignant-type narcissists project all the time & jd is the worst I've seen. At a minimum, it's highly telling. Certainly it's not 100% of a narcissists accusations but is often at least a solid 80-90%. https://samray.substack.com/p/when-to-believe-narcissists-part-a4f
Sam you are spot-on--with so much in common they FALL IN LINE & CEDE TO POWER, because ALL TRAITS OF NARCISSISM pooled together has NO STRENGTH--THEY ARE WEAK & must have a HOST!💜
I have a terrible problem with STUPID, thus mudslinging could be a big karmic, slap-me-back boomerang, but to the point of people, power & money💰 these wannabe "leaders" merely--
Thank you for this great article. We all know that Trump is a dangerous, hateful, corrupt narcissist but he is old and is in the twilight years. JD is a young, heartless disturbed individual that will do ANYTHING for money. He is very dangerous. He has no moral character.we need to watch him and stop him.
I think Trump regrets picking JD as his running mate as he sees him only as the hillbilly not being “ready for prime time” visual and complicating T’s mission message. Whatever THAT is.
In other words Trump would have ended up hating whomever he picked because we know “only I can fix it.” I hope JD is readying himself for being the scapegoat over losing the election for Trump. We know Donald will be savage about it.
Greeley, you really need to work on your Substack etiquette. It is extremely rude to write a projection & narcissism diatribe that distracts from a simple projection message I am trying to convey.
While your analysis is somewhat interesting, it contributes nothing to the piece itself & it is all covered in more CNI language in the publication.
Additionally, advertising your newsletter re: your trump analysis while ignoring the multiple pieces that already do that at CNI is also very disrespectful.
To reveal the true disrespect of your act, you didn't even bother to like the piece you spammed, which is 100% confirmation you only thought of yourself. You are welcome to try again in the future but you only get one more strike. Your msg will be deleted.
Sam, thank you for again clearly and effectively explaining Vance’s use of projection. Because you define it as so completely negative I feel compelled to mention another aspect of projection, one that I have often seen in over 38 years as a psychotherapist, many of them specializing in marital and relationship counseling or therapy. This aspect is more “normal,” in the sense of not being pathological, while it can be problematic at times. When we attempt to understand another person’s actions we usually (consciously or otherwise) ask ourselves “why would someone do that?” What we are really doing is asking “if that were me why would I do that?” In other words, projecting. Best case? Empathy. Problematic case, and one I have seen often with couples or families, is that the person thinks they KNOW the intent of the other (e.g., I would only do that if I wanted to hurt you, therefore you want to hurt me) and then the needless and harmful battles begin or continue.
I offer this not in any way to counter or diminish your excellent analysis, but simply to present another aspect of projection.
Harry, thank you for sharing your experience & caveat. Perhaps after the election it is something to explore more in depth. However, what you are describing as a form of projection seems more clearly defined as "transference." "A phenomenon within psychotherapy in which repetitions of old feelings, attitudes, desires, or fantasies that someone displaces are subconsciously projected onto a here-and-now person." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transference
Just offering a clarification to your excellent comment: It seems to me - a non-psychologist - that "projection" is an outwardly-focused and outwardly-directed assumption of motive to judge and assign blame for another's behavior, while empathy is an outwardly-focused but inwardly-directed effort to understand the motives and the external influences that can shape behavior in others in an effort to understand and, if appropriate, facilitate individual and community responses. The first (projection) seems to be an attempt to offload onto others one's negative psychological baggage and "other" them, while the second (empathy) seems to be the use of one's psychological skills to step outside of one's personal environment to experience, mentally if not physically, the personal environment of another in the attempt to understand and appreciate the other person's perspective and actions. The first complements the narcissist's psychological goals and needs, while the second is wholly incompatible with, if not destructive of them.
Just my two cents.
Vote Harris/Walz for the win and the psychological health of our country.
Nicely done Rod. It is my understanding that what Harry is describing is "transference," but it is an interesting & related phenomenon worth knowing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transference
Great Job this morning ☕ Sam Ray 💯 you've put JD's sickness in layman's terms for us to understand, going into the debate this Tuesday. The stark difference between Tim Walz and Vance is as different as Night and Day, Good and Bad. Tim's scene of"Dignity of Office" paired with his human compassion for others will win the day.Along with his love of Country, service, and knowledge of the problems here and abroad.Vance is going to show the American people a shallow, self serving and ridiculous man,and It will be his downfall. What I'm going to be watching for,is the Body language!! Excellent piece, Thank You,Sam Ray 💯👍💙🌊🌊🌊
Thanks Karen. A main goal of CNI is to put these personality disorders in layman's terms.
I guess we’ll not be reading any tactless comments from those with a mission. But getting back to Sam’s description of jd’s announcements, or interviews or speeches, I would hear these words and wonder if I’m forcibly making them all into confessions, projections if you will. I mean, other than trump, who does this so consistently? I see jd as someone who eventually has a “nervous breakdown “. That is, he’s not a stupid man but does and says stupid things and eventually this cognitive dissonance will be too much. He should start therapy now.
The fact is malignant-type narcissists project all the time & jd is the worst I've seen. At a minimum, it's highly telling. Certainly it's not 100% of a narcissists accusations but is often at least a solid 80-90%. https://samray.substack.com/p/when-to-believe-narcissists-part-a4f
Sam you are spot-on--with so much in common they FALL IN LINE & CEDE TO POWER, because ALL TRAITS OF NARCISSISM pooled together has NO STRENGTH--THEY ARE WEAK & must have a HOST!💜
I have a terrible problem with STUPID, thus mudslinging could be a big karmic, slap-me-back boomerang, but to the point of people, power & money💰 these wannabe "leaders" merely--
TALK TO MIRRORS.👀
ROCK ON SAM!🌈
🙏NAMASTE💜
✨As usual, excellent read, Sam ! J. D. Vance is, in my opinion, trump's shovel. They will both go under together. ✨
Thanks Harry. I like your analysis.
Thank you for this great article. We all know that Trump is a dangerous, hateful, corrupt narcissist but he is old and is in the twilight years. JD is a young, heartless disturbed individual that will do ANYTHING for money. He is very dangerous. He has no moral character.we need to watch him and stop him.
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I think Trump regrets picking JD as his running mate as he sees him only as the hillbilly not being “ready for prime time” visual and complicating T’s mission message. Whatever THAT is.
In other words Trump would have ended up hating whomever he picked because we know “only I can fix it.” I hope JD is readying himself for being the scapegoat over losing the election for Trump. We know Donald will be savage about it.
Greeley, you really need to work on your Substack etiquette. It is extremely rude to write a projection & narcissism diatribe that distracts from a simple projection message I am trying to convey.
While your analysis is somewhat interesting, it contributes nothing to the piece itself & it is all covered in more CNI language in the publication.
Additionally, advertising your newsletter re: your trump analysis while ignoring the multiple pieces that already do that at CNI is also very disrespectful.
To reveal the true disrespect of your act, you didn't even bother to like the piece you spammed, which is 100% confirmation you only thought of yourself. You are welcome to try again in the future but you only get one more strike. Your msg will be deleted.
Your own projection would be comical if it wasn't so sad. I'm sorry your tortured life still has you lying to yourself so badly.