Solid advice and about what I was expecting. I think the best strategy is a combination of grey rock and flattery. Oh, also just keeping your distance as much as possible.
Most welcome Jasmine. Yeah best to avoid MNs altogether when you can. Unfortunately you can not do that when they become your congressman, Senator, Governor or President, so here we are.
Indeed MNs focus on gaining value and influence so their institution protects them. I have worked with some pretty powerful HRs but it has been a while. It probably varies between states that have strong worker rights and states only interested in corporate rights. Here in Northern California, a large % of people expect their rights to be respected and they usually are, if for no other reason than it can be very costly not to follow the law.
Doing an “end run” around your boss is the kiss of death in your job. Voice of experience here.
Exactly 90 days after I was fired, my boss was fired by HER boss. The staff had been taking detailed notes after I left, and shared their observations in a sit-down/report with the big boss.
Karma was sweet in this case, although the whole situation was painful.
Sorry you had to go through that KB. Yeah definitely a treacherous path. It sounds like you succeeded. Just not for yourself. It makes sense that someone may need to be the fired martyr so the higher-ups can see the pattern of abuse, and what it is costing them.
Precisely. And, if I hadn’t had to leave that position, I don’t know how long it would have been before I started teaching, which ended up being my ideal / best job. Taught for 30 years. Loved it most of the time. 😉
Its my understanding that malignant narcissists will “snap” if cornered or not get getting their “supply. An example is where an individual complains about their MN boss’ lies or discriminatory behavior. Many managers/supervisors will meet w the parties involved and have a spread blame between both parties. This is still too much for the MN and then May explode w a tirade or physical attack ( not necessarily at the meeting but away from company peers).
Hopefully reasonable and ethical people work w you and will see the abnormal behavior as not benefiting the company.
Solid advice and about what I was expecting. I think the best strategy is a combination of grey rock and flattery. Oh, also just keeping your distance as much as possible.
Thank you.
Most welcome Jasmine. Yeah best to avoid MNs altogether when you can. Unfortunately you can not do that when they become your congressman, Senator, Governor or President, so here we are.
Agreed. That's true😕 Houston we have a problem😬
If the MN has any influence it's best to leave... and HR is never helpful almost never and even if they get you they have no power.
Indeed MNs focus on gaining value and influence so their institution protects them. I have worked with some pretty powerful HRs but it has been a while. It probably varies between states that have strong worker rights and states only interested in corporate rights. Here in Northern California, a large % of people expect their rights to be respected and they usually are, if for no other reason than it can be very costly not to follow the law.
Doing an “end run” around your boss is the kiss of death in your job. Voice of experience here.
Exactly 90 days after I was fired, my boss was fired by HER boss. The staff had been taking detailed notes after I left, and shared their observations in a sit-down/report with the big boss.
Karma was sweet in this case, although the whole situation was painful.
Sorry you had to go through that KB. Yeah definitely a treacherous path. It sounds like you succeeded. Just not for yourself. It makes sense that someone may need to be the fired martyr so the higher-ups can see the pattern of abuse, and what it is costing them.
Precisely. And, if I hadn’t had to leave that position, I don’t know how long it would have been before I started teaching, which ended up being my ideal / best job. Taught for 30 years. Loved it most of the time. 😉
Its my understanding that malignant narcissists will “snap” if cornered or not get getting their “supply. An example is where an individual complains about their MN boss’ lies or discriminatory behavior. Many managers/supervisors will meet w the parties involved and have a spread blame between both parties. This is still too much for the MN and then May explode w a tirade or physical attack ( not necessarily at the meeting but away from company peers).
Hopefully reasonable and ethical people work w you and will see the abnormal behavior as not benefiting the company.