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Suki Herr's avatar

ThankYou for this.

I’ve never been a Trump fan. I was stunned by his win(?)in 16 by the basic question of his access to nuclear weapons. We have a myriad of problems that need an intelligent, humane person at the helm, but who has the launch codes should be our central to our decision. Voting is not a joke. People who pout, don’t vote out of spite, are the lowest form of political person.

Suicide, I think, requires courage that Trump doesn’t possess. +He’s always escaped consequences, he believes he will continue. That you have doubts about Hitler shooting himself is an interesting question.

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laura oshea's avatar

Could we as a community cause tRump to collapse without triggering a nuclear holocaust???

Your articles are the best. I have seen malignant narcissists before that are as delusional as tRump but they were all hospitalized. Most of them thought they were Jesus or equivalents. So his delusions of being a savior really scare me. And when this church people place hands on him to pray. I want to hide under the bed or something!

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Sam Ray's avatar

😘 - Yes, trump is so fruit loops he’s almost collapsing himself.

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Neal Rauhauser's avatar

Absolutely terrifying when one factors nuclear weapons and sycophants who expect the world is going to end some time later today. If we manage to get through this and I do mean **IF**, there can not be any editing of one's role after the fact, not for any of us. I don't know that we're capable, as a society, of that level of introspection.

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Susan Fernbach's avatar

“that level of introspection” begins with each individual: am I capable of that? What lies do I habitually tell myself? Etc.

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Neal Rauhauser's avatar

And we are not capable of that sort of activity as a society, for a wide range of reasons.

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Karen Scofield's avatar

Holy Smokes 😲 what an amazing essay today,Sam. What I'm concerned about at this point is trump's continuing his drone strikes on these small Vessels??! No oversight, no verification as to who's abroad and No War declaration😱 not to mention this vicious attack on Free Speech ‼️ Three plus more years of this insanity?? Thank goodness you're here keeping me off of the cliff 🤓 Awesome job here, Thank you, and will reStack ASAP 🙏

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Sam Ray's avatar

Thanks so much Karen. Always pleased to hear the psych makes others calmer too. Narcissists don't want us thinking rationally. They want us driven by fear like they are.

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Sarah's avatar

Hi Sam, I’m the original asker of the questions, and I just posted, to the original article, my “thank you” to you for this response.

I wanted to put it here as well!

“Thank you!! Not only am I grateful for your detailed and informative response, I’m a bit in awe that, for each of my (many…sorry about that!) questions, you offered insights and expertise that I’ve not found elsewhere.

I don’t have a personal reason for my interest but I do have a near-insatiable curiosity about “how/why things work”, and even though Trump is extremely dangerous and volatile, the how/why of him is utterly fascinating (and maddening).

I’m grateful to you for the time and energy you gave to my comment and your work is well-worth supporting; I just signed up as an annual subscriber!

(PS: I’m with you on the debate- after seeing how easy it was to trigger Trump, Kamala should’ve kept on going!)

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Sam Ray's avatar

Thank you for your support, great questions & for being a good sport about my light snark. I saw you had more ?s just as I was finishing this analysis, & happy to take a look when time & energy permit. 💯 it takes a fair amount of both to go down these 🐇holes

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vivi berry's avatar

Your comment about Grey Rocking was right on. For anyone trying to deal with a Narc then they need to learn to Grey Rock and do it consistently. Definitely the very best and safest weapon (while planning your escape!)

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Sam Ray's avatar

It's a good bandaid but the warning that comes with Grey Rocking is once the narcissist knows you are doing it, the harder they abuse you, because they know you won't react.

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Lillian Holsworth's avatar

A most fascinating and eye opening synopsis of the malefic 47-Git's psyche.

As of late he seems very assured and egotistical with far to much bravado in a very psychopath manner: the U.N speech was extremely ludicrous in reality, yet he thinks he's the Smartest leader with the biggest stick...he mocked & condemned all things viable & necessary (green energy & Immigration). His weaknesses are myriad - criticism and being doubted and losing wealth are a few. If Americans & the world keep the pressure on combined with the ever growing truth that his tariffs are a failure... the cracks in his world will deepen and that's what we all should aim for.

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Sam Ray's avatar

Thank you Lillian. 🇺🇸 will eventually become fed up & put the pressure they are feeling themselves on trump. However, from a CNI POV, there is far less margin for error daily, so more precision & resources are needed to safely open, reveal & utilize those cracks.

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Mitch Moncrief's avatar

I don’t see a scenario for his “malignant collapse”. He controls the federal police forces, the military and aided by our own oligarchs as well as supported by the Slavic kind too, he does not feel vulnerable. Today at the UN he told the “world” to its face how irrelevant and stupid they are ( more projection), and continued to downplay global warming. The brief moments of decompensation when an entertainer ostracizes or points out the ignorance or lack of presence in reality he tries to ruin them. Same to the political opponents ( Comey, Schiff, James). This will continue until his poor health gives way. The question is whether will all the damage continue or will the country become compliant to the Constitution once again.

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Sam Ray's avatar

A narcissist can have everything in the 🌎, & yet trauma triggers can still start 🤯 wild🔥s

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An Mcgreevy's avatar

I just have to say thank you.

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Sam Ray's avatar

Most welcome.

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Karen Kampmann's avatar

Everyone, please restack this. Mr. Sam Ray is so spot on. I was one of those “triggerers” to a verbally and physically abusive person who thought he was Gods gift to the world. But my sense of justice did not let me back down. So yes, Sam is SO right about being careful speaking the truth to these “alien” people. Truly some gob-smacking moments. Then he filed a lawsuit against me. I rallied the strength to fight it, for over a year, and won. He was a house roomate and finally a closed life chapter. I told him numerous times he was just like Trump, and he strangely never replied to that. These malignant aliens truly, truly can't handle the truth. So dangerous we have a whole, very large gang of them in the Executive Branch of The United States of America. It's going to be a long, difficult slog, and we haven't seen nothing yet. Just remember, they never back down, are devious as hell, but there are more of us than them, and that will be our saving grace. Neverending Push-back. Kimmel was a flash point, but now push back just as great is needed to Trump's weaponizing the Justice Dept. against decent honest former Government workers, etc. Push back just as hard for each and everyone he is trying to indict. Not because they are guilty of wrongdoing, but because of the damage it will do to their lives and finances. Not to mention all the harassment Trump's MAGA will heap on them, and worse.

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Sam Ray's avatar

Thank you for sharing your story & like-minded perspective Karen. So sorry you had to go through it, but you should take great pride in legally defeating a narcissist. It is no easy feat.

The one quibble I have is, yes, as rule they "never back down," but firm barriers & fear of severe consequences will get them to do so. They will test boundaries in the future but as long as the barrier or fear is there, they will back down. I'm unsure of the exact Disney/Sinclair motivations but Kimmel being back on so quickly is a dynamic of that.

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Karen Kampmann's avatar

Yes Sam, you are right firm barriers and fear of severe consequences can get them to back down. In my case it was the court that stopped him. And yes I do take pride in defeating him in court, a court case HE started. Not only that, but my friends and relatives thought I was nuts to fight back. I pondered their arguments, but my sense of justice and holding people accountable for their actions over-rode their arguments. Yes, I lost a year of my life, and perhaps they had a point because the full realization that this is who he is and he is incapable of change, finally sunk in. I kept thinking he could change, but these people can be so damn good at their manipulations, it's uncanny. In the end, fighting back is the only way to go. Thank you Sam for your kind words!

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Thomas D’Arcy O’Donnell's avatar

As a Canadian Am Extremely Leery re Commenting to Americans regarding Donald Trump Inc.

Have zero opinion re the Late Charlie Kirk’s murder - much less any ‘why or whatever .. but it is my ‘perception Trump or Stephen Miller are headed for ‘kneecapping & not ‘murder or ‘fragging. Not ‘Life as they remember - the day before - just ‘rendered non operational’ forevermore.. Golfing ? Climbing Stairs ? Walking Unassisted ? Pain Management ? Endless Orthopaedic Surgeries ? Pitied by ‘Some Americans ? Could sure ‘Dish it Out.. as most Apex Parasites EXCELL at.. but PayBack gonna Last Forever & just can’t see those Two Outrunning such a Grim & Remorseless Reality .. 🦎🏴‍☠️🍁

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Sam Ray's avatar

Apex parasite is an excellent term I may borrow from time to time. Is it yours?

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Thomas D’Arcy O’Donnell's avatar

‘knew the common parasites from Farm & Ranch plus University of Guelph.. ‘apex was just my add-on since 2011 & I went full metal non partisan environmental advocate..

Apex Predators are my ‘pet faves - am sure many others were far ahead of my ‘perceptions .. some backtrail may be useful..

Dr Andrew Derocher gives me ‘carte blanche re his Polar Bear Research & Photos.. I owe him a ‘shrine in my Salamandry Site haha ! Same re Grizzly.. & the Craighead Bros lit my fire ! The Track of The Grizzly post ‘Closing The Dumps in Yellowstone’ ‘abruptly !

How could I miss an Apex Parasite such as Lamprey Eel & The Great Lakes & Erie Canal hoho ? StomachWorms or even BRAINWORM ! Am also a ‘student of Symbiotic Parasitism . & YellowMedia & ‘conservative’ Political Parties sleep together.. often ménage a trois .. with Evangelical FantasyLand - at the same time I certainly admire useful symbiosis ‼️

ps - Will tag you soon re an ‘Existent Invasive Species .. The ‘Marine Science is Simple Undeniable Terrifying & it’s sheer happenstance I’ve ‘the Story ..

Being a feral orphan lends a certain ‘curiosity .. non ? 🦎🏴‍☠️🤿

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Sam Ray's avatar

Thanks, I’m good. I’m only interested in the human application of the term.

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Zeits's avatar

I can’t argue with your expertise but it hasn’t happened in 79 yrs with this guy. His cluster b friends ( Epstein, Giuliani) collapsed. Somehow he has managed to escape the collapse. I think during Biden if AG Garland went after him sooner and harder it might have happened. Now it’s about grifting and applying a simpleton’s understanding of geopolitics. Isn’t that right Vlad?

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Sam Ray's avatar

You’re not wrong. He is more insulated than ever. I’m just confirming how it is still possible & even more so in some ways due to his cognitive slippage.

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Zeits's avatar

A recent Thom Hartmann substack warns of a possible use of nuclear weapons not only bec we now have a DoW but because how else does a megalomaniac show how powerful he is when they occasionally get boxed in ( losing court decisions, Epstein files, poll numbers in the toilet). Is there anyone that would step in??

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osis's avatar

Is that female Bruce Jenner on top of a burning car?

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Sam Ray's avatar

Nope, that’s the Phoenix. She burns hot.

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Mitch Ritter's avatar

Dear Sam Ray,

As a former retail sales person trained in the Dark Arts of consumer electronics, I am both impressed with your Counter Narcissistic Intel and yet when I peruse the fine graphic comics illustrating your piece I am left with an under-my-breath murmuring of "But that's a tough sell...!"

Lemme pick it up, feel it in my mitts and take it out for a spin....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rot_5nyanjk

Nomad Blood - Martha Tilston

86,697 views Feb 27, 2017

From the album 'NOMAD' Release date May 2017

(Early in T-rumpster's first malignant term as Confounder In Chief)

Especially reading through the paper trail from my Muck Rakish

well-spent yoot in the Empire City and State:

https://theconversation.com/woody-guthrie-old-man-trump-and-a-real-estate-empires-racist-foundations-53026

https://www.villagevoice.com/how-a-young-donald-trump-forced-his-way-from-avenue-z-to-manhattan/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIYCG2oyI3A

"Wayne Barrett Talks Donald Trump | New York NOW [Full]

WMHT

10,712 views May 9, 2016

"No one has covered real estate mogul and now leading Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump longer than Wayne Barrett. The investigative journalist first wrote about Trump in 1979 and wrote a biography on him in the early 90's just as his empire started to crumble. Hear Barrett's views on Trump including his current rise to fame in the political world."

AI Summary

"To understand the cultic roots of Third Party candidates consider Lenora Fulani, consider the following points:"

"Lenora Fulani is associated with the New Alliance Party, which has been criticized for cult-like practices."

"The party was founded in the 1970s and has ties to the controversial figure, Fred Newman.

Fulani's political campaigns often emphasized psychological and social theories linked to Newman's teachings."

"Critics argue that the party's structure and recruitment methods resemble those of a cult.

Fulani has faced allegations of promoting divisive ideologies and using manipulative tactics in her political outreach."

"Despite controversies, she has been a significant figure in advocating for minority rights and progressive policies."

One can't fully remove any candidate from the Cultic culture of their CONstituency....

Yet we can CONsult with the scholars of Cultic Studies and adventurous muck raking reporters:

Counter-Narcissist Intelligence

https://samray.substack.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenora_Fulani

https://www.fcnp.com/2025/05/29/cult-century-1970s-roots-of-trumpism-part-5-of-25/

Dr. Janja Lalich,

Founder of the Lalich Center

"Janja Lalich, Ph.D., Professor Emerita of Sociology, is an international authority on cults and coercion. Researcher, author, and educator, she specializes in recruitment, indoctrination, and methods of influence and control. She has been studying the social psychology of controversial groups and exploitative and abusive relationships for 35 years."

"Dr. Lalich is the author and/or coauthor of six books, including the now classic, Take Back Your Life: Recovering from Cults and Abusive Relationships and Escaping Utopia: Growing Up in a Cult, Getting Out, and Starting Over."

https://www.lalichcenter.org/

Tio Mitchito™

Mitch Ritter\Paradigm Sifters, Code Shifters, PsalmSong Chasers

Lay-Low Studios, Ore-Wa (Refuge of A-Tone-ment Seekers)

Media Discussion List\Looksee

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Sam Ray's avatar

Hi Mitch, Nice song. Thanks for the kind words on the intel but I am unsure what you are asking. Re: tough sell, I am more focused on education than selling, not that I'm opposed.

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Mitch Ritter's avatar

Dear Sam Ray,

I am not asking anything of you. As with much of my Readers Comments, when I happen upon a good mainstream peek into specialized areas of study, like Cultic Studies or its paper trail through often alternative journalism sources I feel motivated to want to share such with those who are unaware that a particular discipline or research resource exists. Whether journalistic or academic discipline.

The aim is to counter our Pay2Ply\Pay2Play mass media derived passive CONsumer habits. To spark independent inquiry. Like your very useful CNI efforts at countering narcissism and narcissistic Intel.

https://samray.substack.com/about

That is why I share links and hope to spread an all-too-infrequently sourced natural resource I've usually stumbled upon (and thought to myself, why didn't that curious person with all the first-hand experience shared about time spent in such pursuits provide me a link to such a resource in process...).

Like this AI dossier of references:

"To explore the intersection of CNI (Cultural and National Identity) and Cult Studies, consider these key points:

"Define CNI as the relationship between cultural identity and national belonging.

Examine how cults can shape or challenge cultural narratives and identities."

"Analyze the role of rituals in reinforcing group identity within cults."

"Investigate the impact of cults on national identity, especially in multicultural societies."

"Explore the psychological aspects of belonging and identity in cult membership.

Consider the implications of cult studies for understanding social cohesion and division."

And as AI is wont to explain by way of summation:

"Is this helpful?"

"internationalculticstudies.org International Cultic Studies Association | ICSA

Find evidence-informed guidance for working with cult-affected individuals and families — including clinical, legal, educational, and frontline best practices."

"www.icsahome.comCult Info Since 1979

Welcome to International Cultic Studies Association (ICSA)! Founded in 1979, the tax-exempt ICSA is a global network of people concerned about psychological manipulation and abuse in cultic..."

https://www.lalichcenter.org/

"Janja Lalich, Ph.D., Professor Emerita of Sociology, is an international authority on cults and coercion. Researcher, author, and educator, she specializes in recruitment, indoctrination, and methods of influence and control. She has been studying the social psychology of controversial groups and exploitative and abusive relationships for 35 years. Dr. Lalich is the author and/or coauthor of six books, including the now classic, Take Back Your Life: Recovering from Cults and Abusive Relationships and Escaping Utopia: Growing Up in a Cult, Getting Out, and Starting Over."

Also, as with anybody who is a'muse'd by clever ways of expressing what one has encountered, seen or chuckled over, headlines and articles that "sold me" on their journalism or public speaking forums like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd850AcV56Y&t=1799s

"Sects in the City - Cults On and Off Campus"

Hope I've answered your question.

Keep on doing!

Health and balance

Tio Mitchito (the musical\song links are just to broaden one's perspective from obsessive research nerd to broader spectrum consideration of the difference between social and anti-social sharing of outreach & pursuits)

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